Duffy and Lister and Television New Zealand Ltd - 1997-040, 1997-041
Members
- J M Potter (Chair)
- A Martin
- L M Loates
- R McLeod
Dated
Complainant
- Geoffrey Duffy, Nancy Lister
Number
1997-040–041
Programme
The SimpsonsBroadcaster
Television New Zealand LtdChannel/Station
TV2
Summary
"Go to hell you old bastard" were the words of a rock band when it ended its
performance during an episode of The Simpsons broadcast on TV2 on 16 January
1997 at 5.30pm.
Professor Duffy of Auckland complained to the broadcaster, Television New Zealand
Limited, that such language was unsuitable during prime time children's viewing, as it
had a bad influence on small children.
Mrs Lister of Hastings complained that such language was unsuitable for use during
prime time children's viewing and was a breach of broadcasting standards.
In its response to each complainant, TVNZ noted that the words were addressed to
the odious Mr Burns, and suggested that the band's performance lampooned the anti-
social attitudes of modern rock culture in which swearing and generally abusing the
audience were characteristics of some groups. It did not consider the phrase to be
unsuitable in that context, and pointed out that it was the fifth time TV2 had screened
that particular episode. It considered that the audience for this programme were the
older school children, the younger ones having had programmes targeted to them on
TV One and TV2 at an earlier hour.
Dissatisfied with the response, each complainant referred their complaint to the
Broadcasting Standards Authority under s.8(1)(a) of the Broadcasting Act 1989.
For the reasons below, the Authority declines to uphold the complaints
Decision
The members of the Authority have viewed the item complained about and have read
the correspondence (summarised in the Appendices). As is its practice, the Authority
determines the complaints without a formal hearing.
An episode of The Simpsons, which screened at 5.30pm on 16 January 1997, featured
a birthday show for Mr Burns, Homer Simpson's employer. Part of the birthday
surprise was the rock group "The Ramones". At the end of the concert a member of
the band came forward and said: "Go to hell you old bastard".
Professor Geoffrey Duffy and Mrs Nancy Lister complained to TVNZ that the use of
such language was unsuitable during prime time children's viewing.
TVNZ considered the complaints under standards G2 and G12 of the Television Code
of Broadcasting Practice. They require broadcasters:
G2 To take into consideration currently accepted norms of decency and
taste in language and behaviour, bearing in mind the context in which
any language or behaviour occurs.
G12 To be mindful of the effect any programme may have on children
during their normally accepted viewing times.
TVNZ in response to both Professor Duffy and Mrs Lister was of the view that the
language needed to be understood in terms of what the programme was portraying. It
advised that the programme was designed to show a stereotype and, by pulling that
stereotype apart, humour was created. It said that the band were an aggressive group
of four rather spindly, unprepossessing musicians who ended their act by swearing at
the audience. By attaching this behaviour to such a weak looking pop group, TVNZ
argued that The Simpsons brought that behaviour into ridicule and showed how
puerile it was. It believed that children understood what was going on. TVNZ also
considered that the word bastard was not as strong as other language considered to be
offensive.
In referring his complaint to the Authority, Professor Duffy expressed his concern
that the children who might watch the programme were in the 2 to 8 age group, and
were particularly susceptible to bad language. In her letter to the Authority, Mrs
Lister objected emphatically to the phrase used – not just the word "bastard".
Responding to the Authority, TVNZ said that the 2 to 8 age group were catered for in
earlier programmes, and that the older school-age audience would be well familiar with
the behaviour of the Frank Zappa type rock group, and would find humour in the
ridicule heaped upon them.
The Authority considers that the programme is quite sophisticated and anarchic, but
able to be enjoyed by children. It accepts TVNZ's view that the content portrayed
needs to be understood within the parameters of the programme and what The
Simpsons represents.
The Authority holds the view that the programme would not have any adverse effect
on the older children who are expected to watch the programme. Nor does it consider
that the programme breaches accepted norms of decency and taste in language or
behaviour, bearing in mind the nature of the programme and the message it conveys.
For the above reasons, the Authority declines to uphold the complaint.
Signed for and on behalf of the Authority
Judith Potter
Chairperson
17 April 1997
Appendix 1
Professor Duffy's Complaint to Television New Zealand Ltd - 21 January 1997
Geoffrey Duffy of Auckland complained to Television New Zealand Ltd that the
broadcast of an episode of The Simpsons on TV2 on 16 January 1997 at 5.30pm was
unsuitable for young viewers.
The incident to which he objected occurred after a rock band played to an audience,
when the leader of the band stepped forward and said to a member of the audience:
"Go to hell you old bastard".
Professor Duffy stated:
I object strongly to such language in the prime viewing time for small children.
This is a bad influence and a poor role model for these young ones.
TVNZ's Response to the Formal Complaint - 10 February 1997
TVNZ assessed the complaint under standards G2 and G12 of the Television Code of
Broadcasting Practice which require broadcasters:
G2 To take into consideration currently accepted norms of decency and
taste in language and behaviour, bearing in mind the context in which
any language or behaviour occurs
G12 To be mindful of the effect any programme may have on children
during their normally accepted viewing times.
TVNZ noted, first, that the episode included a birthday show for Mr Burns, Homer
Simpson's employer. It suggested that the birthday party and show demonstrated
how the programme makers pulled apart a stereotype to create humour. It wrote:
The band were an aggressive group of four rather spindly, unprepossessing
musicians who ended their act by swearing at the audience. Young people (and
older ones too) who are familiar with modern rock culture would recognise the
anti-social attitude such swearing suggests as mimicking those real life pop
groups who take delight in such actions as spitting at their audiences, throwing
things, and generally abusing those who come to see them. "The Simpsons"
by attaching this behaviour to such a weak-looking pop group brings that
behaviour into ridicule and shows how puerile it is.
In the context of the story-line, and bearing in mind the well-known nature of the
series, TVNZ concluded that the remark did not breach standard G2. It also noted
that the word "bastard" was not so strong as other swear words.
TVNZ noted Professor Duffy's concern about "small children" but advised that it
believed that the audience for The Simpsons was the older group of children who might
be at intermediate school or in the early years of secondary school. It expressed its
understanding of the need for programmes for the very young and stated that they
were catered for on TV One and TV2 at earlier viewing times. It advised that it did
not consider the programme to be harmful to the older children who might be expected
to view at that time. TVNZ declined to uphold the complaint.
Professor Duffy's Referral to the Broadcasting Standards Authority - 16
February 1997
Dissatisfied with TVNZ's response, Professor Duffy referred the complaint to the
Broadcasting Standards Authority under s.8(1)(a) of the Broadcasting Act 1989.
Professor Duffy view was that the language complained about was totally
unacceptable on air before 6pm. He considered that the response from TVNZ failed
to examine the real complaint and the issue in question. He advised
Television must act responsibly and must set a standard because they have one
of the most powerful accesses into the minds of young children who will be
the next generation.
...
I feel that Television Broadcasters have a responsibility to this nation and the
only bastion left is at the 2 to 8 age level. Could I suggest that the aim should
be to set positive STANDARDS, vet pre 6.00pm programmes and
advertisements more closely and help stem the tide of slipping morality,
increasing juvenile crime and young peoples behavioural problems.
TVNZ's Response to the Authority - 27 February 1997
In a brief response, TVNZ stated that largely young teenage audience which watched
the series would find familiar the behaviour of the Frank Zappa-type rock group, and
would find humour in the ridicule heaped upon them. It advised that the rock group
featured the voices of the "Ramones" doing a spoof on themselves.
TVNZ reiterated that the 2-8 age group was catered for in earlier programmes on TV
One and TV2, and that by 5.30pm it was fair to provide entertainment for older
children.
Appendix 11
Mrs Lister's Complaint to Television New Zealand Ltd - 23 January 1997
Nancy Lister of Hastings complained to Television New Zealand Ltd that the
broadcast of an episode of The Simpsons on 16 January 1997 at 5.30pm breached
standards of good taste and decency.
The incident to which she objected was after a rock band played to an audience, when
the leader of the band stepped forward and said to a member of the audience: "Go to
hell you old bastard".
Mrs Lister expressed her surprise that the programme screened at all since it was
about a dysfunctional family. She believed that TVNZ would agree that the language
was not acceptable at prime time young people's viewing, adding:
I would not accept this type of speaking in my home as I am sure you would
not either - I do ask, do we have to accept it issuing forth from our TV sets at
the time of day when a very large percentage of our young are viewing and
listening.
TVNZ's Response to the Formal Complaint - 3 February 1997
TVNZ's response was similar to that to Professor Duffy summarised in Appendix 1.
It declined to uphold her complaint.
Mrs Lister's Referral to the Broadcasting Standards Authority - 17 February
1997
Dissatisfied with TVNZ's response, Mrs Lister referred the complaint to the
Broadcasting Standards Authority under s.8(1)(a) of the Broadcasting Act 1989.
Mrs Lister did not accept TVNZ's view that the type of language used was the norm
in society. In particular, she did not believe it was suitable in a programme which was
aimed at children and broadcast at 5.30pm.
Referring to TVNZ's response, she complained that it was not the word "bastard"
alone to which she objected, but the whole phrase "Go to hell you old bastard".
Commenting on TVNZ's reference to pop groups abusing their audiences, Mrs Lister
stated that she had never come across that sort of behaviour and was surprised to
discover that it was regarded as "cool".
TVNZ's Response to the Authority - 25 February 1997
In a brief response, TVNZ responded to the complaint about the use of the word
"hell", which it had not dealt with in its first response. It suggested that the word
"hell" was in wide common usage and was heard in broadcasts on radio and television
at any hour of the day. It referred to a popular song which was widely heard which
used the word a number of times.
To Mrs Lister's surprise and disbelief at its assertion that some rock musicians abuse
their audiences, TVNZ named a number of musical groups which adopted that type of
behaviour. It was, it continued, that behaviour which The Simpsons was lampooning.